Gee, don't you think that's al little too harsh? We could put them in a room and make them listen to tapes of speeches by Teddy Kennedy, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, and Howard Dean; then make them read stuff written by Koz, Noam Chomsky, and some of our local lefties till their heads exploded.
On the other hand, the rest of them would trot out the TORTURE card to use against the Administration if we did that.
Forget about prizes or national security, how about my right as an American to be secure in my possessions and personal affects? Like my bank records and telephone call logs? Oh, right I guess that doesn't count, I'm just an innocent red blooded American who isn't on the front line in the desert helping to fight terrorism. Who gives a hell about my rights anyway?
anonymous, what makes you think that YOUR records are going to be among those selected for review in the first place? As explained by the administration, a selection process is used to determine which records are worth further inspection. If you're not a terrorist you don't even make the first cut. The review of bank records, phone tolls, etc., is much like when the police run radar on a road with a speeding problem. As a matter of fact, it's LESS intrusive than police radar. The police look at ALL cars going by and their speed (records) and take appropriate action when they detect illegal activity. In the case of your bank or phone records a computer program looks at them, not a human being. So it's LESS intrusive, actually. If you're not speeding, you don't have to worry about the radar cop. If you're not a terrorist, you don't have to worry about a records review because your records are not even going to be reviewed in the first place. There had been NO claim that anyone's actual "rights" were violated, just hypothetical drivel meant to anger people against a government doing everything it can legally to protect it's citizens. Much ado about nuttin'.
I am SO sick of this "if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about" BULLSHIT. If the governemt parked a van outside your home, and followed you everywhere you went, you sure as hell would mind. You'd be on the phone to your representative day and night to find out why they are following you and recording your every move.
Did you do anything wrong? No. Do they have a right to snoop on you without probably cause? Without a warrant? NO. There is absoultely NO DIFFERENCE between electronic survelliance and physical in this day and age.
And for the record, I own my own business who uses contractors outside the company all the time. We wire them their funds for their services. Do you think the government has ANY RIGHT to know who I'm sending that money to and why? If so, I'd LOVE to know why you think that. Because they do not. Its in the Constitution, go look it up.
Dear anonymous, You haven't a clue what any of these terrorist surveillance programs are all about. And this is despite the fact that the administration has explained it in terms that a 6th-grader can understand, and I've reiterated those points and used word-pictures so even you could understand. When you understand the programs you rail to vehemently against, come back and let's have an intelligent conversation about this, OK? And, by the way, there is nothing illegal about anybody (police or otherwise) following you in public places or sitting on a public street. There is no such thing as a warrant to "snoop." Also, there is nothing in the Constitution about "wiring funds." I looked. It appears you've been duped by the liberal news media and Democrats who are telling you what to think, and are giving you bogus information with which you form your opinions. There is help, hang in there. Please get an education about these issues so we can discuss them intelligently. Thanks.
You are obviously a child. You have no real grasp of the issues at hand. I fully understand my rights as an American under the Constitution and I *know* that the government has no authority to spy on me, be it through my electronic communications, my banking records, my email, whatever without probably cause and without a warrant.
The President has no such authority no matter what you choose to beleive. If he did, then he would have gone to Congress to address the issue and write laws so he could do what he is doing legally. He did not. Why? Because he and his yes men know that what he is doing is fully, throughly illegal.
Oh, and by the way you once again avoided my main argument saying that *if* there was a van parked out side your house following you around, you would be upset and you would want something done about it. You would. No point in deneying it.
And don't bother to give me any more crap about the "point" of the programs. I know the point, I'm an adult and I full well know that I'm not a terrorist, but that is not the argument. The issue is about my and all other American's rights under this government. My rights to privacy and my information and possessions does not stop because you think its okay for the government to spy on EVERYONE just to try and catch a few bad guys.
anonymous, if you understood the programs and how they worked you wouldn't have any worries unless you were a terrorist. Investigation by the government isn't "spying." Why do you think people are spying on you? You're obviously paranoid about vans and black helicopters and people listening to your phones. I'm sorry for your illness.
And I will say a small prayer tonight for the very salvation of your soul and well being, for you (and others like you) have lost your way. I feel sadness for you because you have forgotten what this nation was founded on and those who gave up their lives so you could have the liberty and freedoms that are now being eroded by those you currently worship and defend blindly. I am done here, I pray you will come to your senses.
anonymous, if we fail to fight those that would destroy each and every one of us, our country, and those freedoms fought for by me and those like me, then you'll be praying to Allah in Arabic, my friend. But I guess you'll be doing it with a clear conscience, knowing you didn't harm any peaceful soul by fighting to protect yourself and your country. Your "wire transfer" records have not been reviewed, they aren't being reviewed, and they never will be reviewed. Unless you're a terrorist. How much clearer can the point be made to you? You haven't taken my suggestion to go find out what these programs are really about, have you? You heard the naysayers, main stream media, and liberals tell you what to think, didn't you? You're what's known in the warrior community as a "sheep," someone who has to be protected because he's not able to do it himself. I pity your heartless soul.
The arrogant Bastards should be shot! They are fortunate to live in a democracy where the laws for treason are so liberal. BB
ReplyDeleteGee, don't you think that's al little too harsh? We could put them in a room and make them listen to tapes of speeches by Teddy Kennedy, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, and Howard Dean; then make them read stuff written by Koz, Noam Chomsky, and some of our local lefties till their heads exploded.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, the rest of them would trot out the TORTURE card to use against the Administration if we did that.
Bubba, your punishment could very well be classified as INHUMANE! Where did you get evil mind? BB
ReplyDelete"Where did you get evil mind?"
ReplyDeleteI used to be a liberal.
Forget about prizes or national security, how about my right as an American to be secure in my possessions and personal affects? Like my bank records and telephone call logs? Oh, right I guess that doesn't count, I'm just an innocent red blooded American who isn't on the front line in the desert helping to fight terrorism. Who gives a hell about my rights anyway?
ReplyDeleteanonymous, what makes you think that YOUR records are going to be among those selected for review in the first place? As explained by the administration, a selection process is used to determine which records are worth further inspection. If you're not a terrorist you don't even make the first cut.
ReplyDeleteThe review of bank records, phone tolls, etc., is much like when the police run radar on a road with a speeding problem. As a matter of fact, it's LESS intrusive than police radar.
The police look at ALL cars going by and their speed (records) and take appropriate action when they detect illegal activity.
In the case of your bank or phone records a computer program looks at them, not a human being. So it's LESS intrusive, actually.
If you're not speeding, you don't have to worry about the radar cop.
If you're not a terrorist, you don't have to worry about a records review because your records are not even going to be reviewed in the first place.
There had been NO claim that anyone's actual "rights" were violated, just hypothetical drivel meant to anger people against a government doing everything it can legally to protect it's citizens.
Much ado about nuttin'.
Jaycee,
ReplyDeleteI am SO sick of this "if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about" BULLSHIT. If the governemt parked a van outside your home, and followed you everywhere you went, you sure as hell would mind. You'd be on the phone to your representative day and night to find out why they are following you and recording your every move.
Did you do anything wrong? No. Do they have a right to snoop on you without probably cause? Without a warrant? NO. There is absoultely NO DIFFERENCE between electronic survelliance and physical in this day and age.
And for the record, I own my own business who uses contractors outside the company all the time. We wire them their funds for their services. Do you think the government has ANY RIGHT to know who I'm sending that money to and why? If so, I'd LOVE to know why you think that. Because they do not. Its in the Constitution, go look it up.
Dear anonymous,
ReplyDeleteYou haven't a clue what any of these terrorist surveillance programs are all about. And this is despite the fact that the administration has explained it in terms that a 6th-grader can understand, and I've reiterated those points and used word-pictures so even you could understand.
When you understand the programs you rail to vehemently against, come back and let's have an intelligent conversation about this, OK?
And, by the way, there is nothing illegal about anybody (police or otherwise) following you in public places or sitting on a public street. There is no such thing as a warrant to "snoop."
Also, there is nothing in the Constitution about "wiring funds." I looked.
It appears you've been duped by the liberal news media and Democrats who are telling you what to think, and are giving you bogus information with which you form your opinions. There is help, hang in there.
Please get an education about these issues so we can discuss them intelligently. Thanks.
Jaycee,
ReplyDeleteYou are obviously a child. You have no real grasp of the issues at hand. I fully understand my rights as an American under the Constitution and I *know* that the government has no authority to spy on me, be it through my electronic communications, my banking records, my email, whatever without probably cause and without a warrant.
The President has no such authority no matter what you choose to beleive. If he did, then he would have gone to Congress to address the issue and write laws so he could do what he is doing legally. He did not. Why? Because he and his yes men know that what he is doing is fully, throughly illegal.
Oh, and by the way you once again avoided my main argument saying that *if* there was a van parked out side your house following you around, you would be upset and you would want something done about it. You would. No point in deneying it.
And don't bother to give me any more crap about the "point" of the programs. I know the point, I'm an adult and I full well know that I'm not a terrorist, but that is not the argument. The issue is about my and all other American's rights under this government. My rights to privacy and my information and possessions does not stop because you think its okay for the government to spy on EVERYONE just to try and catch a few bad guys.
anonymous, if you understood the programs and how they worked you wouldn't have any worries unless you were a terrorist.
ReplyDeleteInvestigation by the government isn't "spying." Why do you think people are spying on you?
You're obviously paranoid about vans and black helicopters and people listening to your phones. I'm sorry for your illness.
And I will say a small prayer tonight for the very salvation of your soul and well being, for you (and others like you) have lost your way. I feel sadness for you because you have forgotten what this nation was founded on and those who gave up their lives so you could have the liberty and freedoms that are now being eroded by those you currently worship and defend blindly. I am done here, I pray you will come to your senses.
ReplyDeleteanonymous, if we fail to fight those that would destroy each and every one of us, our country, and those freedoms fought for by me and those like me, then you'll be praying to Allah in Arabic, my friend.
ReplyDeleteBut I guess you'll be doing it with a clear conscience, knowing you didn't harm any peaceful soul by fighting to protect yourself and your country.
Your "wire transfer" records have not been reviewed, they aren't being reviewed, and they never will be reviewed. Unless you're a terrorist. How much clearer can the point be made to you?
You haven't taken my suggestion to go find out what these programs are really about, have you? You heard the naysayers, main stream media, and liberals tell you what to think, didn't you?
You're what's known in the warrior community as a "sheep," someone who has to be protected because he's not able to do it himself.
I pity your heartless soul.