This is the truth, by any measure you want to use.
Noteworthy:
"As war critics mourn three jihadist suicides at Gitmo, we have three dead soldiers who might have met their fate simply because, after Hamandiyah and Haditha, they took too long to determine if their kidnappers were friend or foe. If they'd killed their assailants, would they now also be accused of killing 'innocent' civilians?"
Bubba this is indeed happening to the soldiers. My cousin's sons are over there now and they are e-mailing home that the fearamong the troops is being put up on charges of murder if they happen to shoot a civilian. But how are they to know since it is the civilians shooting at them! I have been for staying the course but with this stuff going down and politians (theirs and ours!) now using our troops as pawns I am getting to the point of saying to Hell with you all, bring our young men home. I personally don't care how many Muslims other Muslims kill. I care a whole lot how many Americans "innocent" Muslims kill. One other thing that is coming home via e-mail: children and women are not only used as shields, but they are also carrying weapons. BB
ReplyDeleteAlso, it looks like they are missing the administration ordering them up the steps and the contractors taking the cash from the gov't.
ReplyDeleteLet's not forget that the reason that they are there is because BushCo decided to sex up intel. No one has an issue with our soldiers. This is a misrepresentation of what is happening. In a democracy, we discuss things and are open. THAT is why they hate us, remember.
"Let's not forget that the reason that they are there is because BushCo decided to sex up intel.
ReplyDeleteGREAT Talking Points straight from the memo, anonymouse, but you forgot to complain about the "War For Oil" and the gazillion dollar cost angles.
And I bet you're one of the ones who "support our troops", aren't you?
I always enjoy hearing the right compare comments of criticism of the administation with "not supporting the troops", like they are mutually exclusive.
ReplyDeleteThey are not. You can support the guys on the ground while questioning who put them there and why. To blindly suggest that we can do nothing but march in step with Bush and Co. is the height of folly. It is unamerican and shameful. Are soldiers having a tougher time in Iraq because of Bush's failure to even give one ounce of thought to what would happen in Bagdad AFTER they invaded? Yes. Should W and company have thought about this BEFORE they decided to commit over 2500 dead and more than 15,000 wounded? Sure as hell they should have.
I always enjoy hearing the right compare comments of criticism of the administation with "not supporting the troops", like they are mutually exclusive.
ReplyDeleteThey are not. You can support the guys on the ground while questioning who put them there and why. To blindly suggest that we can do nothing but march in step with Bush and Co. is the height of folly. It is unamerican and shameful. Are soldiers having a tougher time in Iraq because of Bush's failure to even give one ounce of thought to what would happen in Bagdad AFTER they invaded? Yes. Should W and company have thought about this BEFORE they decided to commit over 2500 dead and more than 15,000 wounded? Sure as hell they should have.
That isn't funny or the truth. Reducing the deaths of American Soldiers to political spin is putrid.
ReplyDelete"That isn't funny or the truth. Reducing the deaths of American Soldiers to political spin is putrid."
ReplyDeleteI agree, and that's why the Lefties are going to be called to answer for their words and actions on that point.
"anonymous" if you believe there's any aspect of this war that was not given "one ounce of thought" then your mental disability quite possibly precludes your meaningful participation in this discussion.
ReplyDeletePresident Bush IS one of the troops, he's the head military man in our government. The boss.
If you support "our troops" then you necessarily support the boss.
Or maybe you only trust the 4-star generals and not the Commander in Chief? Maybe you support only the 3-stars and not the 4-stars? How about if we only support the 2-stars, but not those warmongering 3-stars? How about supporting the 1-stars but not the 2-stars? How about we cut it off by supporting all the Colonels, but not any generals?
The whole "support the troops but not the leaders" is just silly and naive.
One man does not send a country to war; the country, through it's elected leaders from the President on down through both houses of Congress, makes that decision.
If you don't support our President then you don't support the country or any of it's leaders. You may not agree with every decision of our leaders, but please have the moral courage to support your country.
Stew,
ReplyDeleteYou have crossed that line between denial and delusion. Smoke this: the toops support the troops AND their mission You can take that to the bank.
This is just what i like to see: The Right Wingnuts tripping over themselves trying to declare how much more each one of them supports the troops.
ReplyDeleteSupport the troops? How about the ones coming home and finding less than acceptable VA services?
How about the PTSD self-reporting form that would remove the soldier from his family when he returns home if he tells the truth about having issues?
How about the many Veterans who are homeless because of the things they experienced while in service to the country?
Don't get me wrong here- many soldiers have returned and led very productive lives. But, many have not. And the support for them ends when they discharge.
Put your money where your mouth is for once, just once, I Double Dare you.
Bruce, when you have hundreds of thousands of people enduring the same thing, i.e., wartime service, you can come up with any number of anecdotal cases of just about anything you want to. How about guys who only have to buy one left shoe now instead of a full pair? Are there any? Sure. But don't use silly stuff like you quote to condemn hundreds of thousands of veterans. Guys like you demonized every Vietnam veteran as a drug-addicted, baby-killing, PTSD crazed madman.
ReplyDeletePotatocakes, that's my opinion, nothing else. Take it for what it's worth. The President IS our country, he's our elected representative to the rest of the world and Commander in Chief of our military. The fact that you can't get over the Gore/Kerry loss does not erase that fact.
I don't look to Bubba or anyone else to make up my mind for me.
Jaycee, What war? There hasn't been a declaration of war by this country -those authorized by law to do so. A CinC or President declaring war is a crazy person.
ReplyDeleteNice spin on the spin Bubba. A lot of Americans are going to answer for their words and actions. The only problem is the ones who have the real answers are going to continue to lie.
ReplyDelete"Nice spin on the spin Bubba. A lot of Americans are going to answer for their words and actions. The only problem is the ones who have the real answers are going to continue to lie."
ReplyDeleteNice soundbite, Shuffle.....you an editorial talking head for SeeBS or perhaps a guest on Hardheadedball or something?
Yeah, the N&R puts on A1 above the fold a story about a Guilford Marine ( oops bad info , not a local ) who is, along with 6 others, charged with killing one Iraqi man. But several days eazrier they buried on A4 a LA Times watered down story about the capture, torture and beheading of two US Soldiers. No denying the N&R has a tendency to pull for the insurgents ,along with the rest of the MSM, certainly against Bush. Shuffletown Kid have you been playing shuffleboard without a helment
ReplyDeleteJaycee,
ReplyDeleteYou are so wrong you don't even start to be right.
Did I say that they were ALL experiencing PTSD? No, I didn't.
The point of my post, which you so easily obfuscated and avoided, was that there isn't any realistic Support for the troops returning. Your Yellow Magnet Doesn't mean shit if you aren't in favor of beefing up VA services for the troops that need them.
potatocakes, regardless of political party affiliation the President represents our country; he is, in essence, the USA to the rest of the world. Sorry you don't like it, but that's the real world.
ReplyDeletePresident Clinton represented our country poorly to the rest of the world. I was living in Central America among folks from many other countries during the Grand Jury lying fiasco and we were pretty much a laughing stock around the world.
In contrast, I've spent a lot of time in the last few years in the Middle East and some in South America. Most people I've talked to support us in the global fight against terrorists. Many applaud President Bush's stand against his detractors.
Bruce, you use a few isolated anecdotes to condemn our entire government, VA, and citizens because of the treatment of soldiers who you don't even support??
ReplyDeleteSheesh...is this the Twilight Zone?
Great personal attacks guys. A real show of your powers of reasoning and deduction on the subject.
ReplyDeleteI don't quote soundbites and I have enough real-life experience with military, feds and the media to know how honest and intelligent they all are.
"Great personal attacks guys. A real show of your powers of reasoning and deduction on the subject."
ReplyDeleteBlah blah, woof woof.
jaycee,
ReplyDeleteI will not respond to you any longer... you live in some alternate reality where obviously common sense doesn't exist.
"Bruce Burch said...
ReplyDeletejaycee,... you live in some alternate reality where obviously common sense doesn't exist."
Explain, please.
You called our soldiers homeless souls, suffering from PTSD, cut off from support by the VA. That's a lie.
You said many were homeless BECAUSE of what they experienced while in service. Please support this argument with facts.
You said there is no support here in the US for them; that's another lie.
Your posts here and on other blogs indicate your contempt for our government and the war, which by proxy means you don't support our troops.
Show me where I'm wrong.